green hydrogen progress from Dr Andrew Forrest on CleaningUp podcast

In an interview by Cleaning Up with Fortescue’s Dr Andrew Forrest we get a perspective of where the development of green hydrogen progress and challenges are.  A wide ranging interview traversed a number of issues, with the conclusion that Fortescue (FMG)  had changed direction on being hydrogen for everything to some very specific use applications.

  • Green Steel
  • Ammonia to power ships
  • Hydrogen for long distance energy transport. 

Not that all previous use cases for H2 were  terrible ideas, but some just aren’t good ones, and others are still a long way off. The key point is this: we need to focus on reducing emissions now, even as we invest in longer-term R&D. But the priority has to be real, immediate reductions. Prof. Joseph Romm,UPenn Center for Science, Sustainability, and the Media.

Key Points on Green Hydrogen Progress

  • New data makes old data irrelevant
  • For huge vehicles and ships, the industry needs hydrogen as a fuel
  • FMG has spent 8 years failing and now seeing wins
  • Electrolysers were the size of a room, and FMG now has them the size of a chair.
  • Electrolyser efficiency has increased from 60-70% to 96%
  • Wastage of electricity has decreased from 40% to less than 4%
  • Commercialisation of these electrolysers in 2026.
  • Biofuels or anything with a C in the molecule has a big problem for climate change.
  • With Williams Batteries can charge a racing car in 20 seconds.
  • Batteries will not answer the energy demand for massive industrial heating or world shipping.
  • Batteries at 10-15% of their penetration and have got 500% to go.
  • FMG uses H2 fuel cells as boosters for electricity. Transport H2 to the fast charger.
  • Hydrogen  –  key benefit is you can make it anywhere, all over the world, anytime you like.
  • Sending energy by cable has substantial loss of 10% to 15% whereas loss of gas is 1%
  • H2 for shipping will be ammonia.
  • Ammonia is not nice, but neither is petrol. Use 2 skins and systems to detect links
  • Nuclear on ships is not feasible.
FMG hiring an ammonia powered ship to transport iron ore. [4]

Other Technologies

Other technologies are just a way to stall achievement of zero.

  • Agricultural emissions
  • System emissions
  • Nuclear
  • Geoengineering

If you want to save your planet, stop burning fossil fuel. There’s every single technology available

Green Steel Plans

Fortescue is designing out a power system for green steel

  • Size of Germany 
  • 100% green
  • 24/7 base load.

Hydrogen Ladder

The hydrogen ladder from Michael Liebreich shows applications for hydrogen. Marine Shipping and Green steel appear appropriate uses.

hydrogen ladder v5

References

  1. Is The Tide Turning On Hydrogen? Ep210: Andrew Forrest 2025 https://www.cleaningup.live/is-the-tide-turning-on-hydrogen-ep210-andrew-forrest/
  2. Minderoo Foundation to fund A$6 million worth of new research combatting lethal humidity 2023 https://www.minderoo.org/media/minderoo-foundation-to-fund-au6-million-worth-of-new-reseach-combatting-lethal-humidity/
  3. More than 1,300 Hajj pilgrims died this year when humidity and heat pushed past survivable limits. It’s just the start. 2024 https://theconversation.com/more-than-1-300-hajj-pilgrims-died-this-year-when-humidity-and-heat-pushed-past-survivable-limits-its-just-the-start-245271
  4. Fortescue to charter green ammonia-powered vessel to test shipping with no dirty bunker fuel Apr 2025 https://reneweconomy.com.au/fortescue-to-charter-green-ammonia-powered-vessel-to-test-shipping-with-no-dirty-bunker-fuel/

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